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’til equality us do part

from The Daily Beast

Australian couple threatens to divorce if gay marriage is legal
’TIL EQUALITY DO US PART
COUPLE VOWS TO DIVORCE IF GAYS CAN MARRY
BY WILLIAM BOOT 06.10.155:50 PM ET
Nick and Sarah Jensen have announced their possible divorce. Not because they’re having martial problems—in fact, Nick says that “my wife is the only woman I have ever loved, the mother of our children, my perfect match.”

No, Nick and Sarah’s marriage is in peril because of gay people. Specifically, the sanity of Nick and Sarah’s unity is threatened by pending marriage-equality legislation in Australia, where they live.
On Wednesday, Nick wrote in Canberra CityNews that should such laws pass, they may “force” him to dissolve his 10-year marriage.

He assures the masses that he has no intention of actually leaving his lady, writing, “After our divorce, we’ll continue to live together, hopefully for another 50 years. And, God willing, we’ll have more children. We’ll also continue to refer to each other as ‘husband’ and ‘wife’ and consider ourselves married by the Church and before God.”

No, his sacrifice will be entirely in rejecting the benefits of legal marriage—should they also be extended to his fellow countrymen. He says, “My wife and I, as a matter of conscience, refuse to recognize the government’s regulation of marriage if its definition includes the solemnization of same-sex couples.”

When reached by Fairfax Media for additional comment, Nick brought up the ol’ slippery-slope argument, saying that allowing gay people to marry will lead to polygamy.

It’s worth noting that Nick has a dog in this particular fight beyond his 10-year union—he’s the director of Lachlan Macquarie Institute, an entirely donor-funded conservative Christian lobbyist group. Their goal is “to see Christian principles influencing the way we are governed, do business, and relate to each other as a community.”

When reached by Fairfax Media for additional comment, Nick brought up the ol’ slippery-slope argument, saying that allowing gay people to marry will lead to polygamy.

“Once you say that marriage is detached from children, [that it’s] just about love, then when three people come to the state and say ‘Well, we’re all in love’, then the state has no grounds, except unjust discrimination, to say why they can’t get married,” he argued.

We have reached out to Lachlan Macquarie Institute to let Nick know that many of Australia’s marriage-equality advocates are actually anti-polygamy and will update if we receive a response.

We are currently looking into how to contact all of Australia’s gay folks to see if they have any comment on potentially ruining Nick and Sarah’s marriage. We’re sure they feel super terrible about that.

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Frank Talk

imageEd Pilkington in New York
The Guardian, Thursday 19 September 2013 19.19 BST

Pope Francis said unless a new balance is found, ‘the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards’. Photograph: AGF/Rex Features
Pope Francis has set out his desire to find a “new balance” in the Catholic church, calling for greater involvement of women in key decisions and a less condemnatory approach towards gay people, divorcees and women who have had an abortion.

In a wide-ranging interview with an Italian Jesuit journal, the Pope calls for the Catholic church, the world’s largest Christian church with 1.2bn members, to face up to the need for reform. Offering a dramatic contrast to the traditional conservative approach of his predecessor, Benedict XVI, Francis says the first reform must be one of “attitude”, adding that unless a new balance is found, “the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards”.

The Pope urges Catholics to show “audacity and courage” in their approach to people who, in the past, have been given short shrift by the church, including those who “do not attend mass, who have quit or are indifferent”.

Asked how he would respond to Catholics who are divorced or remarried or gay, he replies: “I used to receive letters from homosexual persons who are ‘socially wounded’, because they tell me that they feel like the church has always condemned them. But the church does not want to do this.”

He goes on: “A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality. I replied with another question: ‘Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?’ We must always consider the person … In life, God accompanies persons, and we must accompany them, starting from their situation.”

Upon his election in March, Pope Francis, or Jorge Mario Bergoglio as he was born in Buenos Aires to Italian parents, was presented as a new start for a church still reeling from paedophilia scandals as well as the Hitler Youth past that dogged his predecessor. But the extent of the shift that Francis represents is only now becoming apparent.

“I have never been a rightwinger,” the Pope says, admitting that when he was a younger man he had “an authoritarian and quick manner of making decisions” that led to “serious problems”.

“Over time I learned many things.”

The interview was conducted by Antonio Spadaro, editor of La Civilta Cattolica, an Italian Jesuit journal. He met the Pope three times in August, and his article, which was translated from Italian into English by a team of five independent experts, has been published in 16 countries.

Spadaro was treated to a rare audience inside the Pope’s private living quarters in the Casa Santa Marta in the Vatican. The Pope has chosen to live in Room 207 in the Casa, rather than in the papal apartment in the Apostolic Palace, because he disliked the inverted funnel of the space: “It is big and spacious, but the entrance is really tight. People can come only in dribs and drabs, and I cannot live without people.”

His living space is spartan and austere, with only a few things in it, including an icon of St Francis, a statue of the patron saint of his native Argentina, a crucifix and a statue of St Joseph asleep.

Asked by Spadaro the simple question: “Who is Jorge Mario Bergoglio?”, the new pontiff says: “I am a sinner. This is the most accurate definition. It is not a figure of speech, a literary genre. I am a sinner.”

Pope Francis does not offer any concrete changes of policy such as a willingness to see women enter the clergy or a loosening of the church’s tough approach to contraception. But he does signal a radical change of approach from which solid reforms might follow.

On women, he begins by saying, quizzically, that he is wary of what he calls “female machismo”, because “women have a different make-up from men”. But he then goes on to say that he wants to “investigate further the role of women in the church … The feminine genius is needed wherever we make important decisions.”

He raises the example of a woman with a failed marriage behind her who has had an abortion. She remarries, has five children, and is happy. “That abortion in her past weighs heavily on her conscience and she sincerely regrets it. She would like to move forward in her Christian life … We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible … We have to talk about them in a context.”

On gay Catholics, he adds flesh to the remarks he made in July when he said he would not judge a gay person seeking God. In the latest interview, the Pope adds that “God in creation has set us free: it is not possible to interfere spiritually in the life of a person.”

In the course of the 11,000-word interview, the Pope also gives an insight into his personal tastes. He likes reading Dostoevsky and the German lyric poet Friedrich Holderlin, and has Alessandro Manzoni’s historical novel The Betrothed, which he has already read three times, by his bed.

He admires the paintings of Caravaggio and Chagall, and adores listening to Mozart and Beethoven interpreted by the German conductor Wilhelm Furtwangler. His favourite films are La Strada by Fellini and Roberto Rossellini’s wartime drama Rome, Open City.

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February 6, 2013 · 21:12

Divorce

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An elderly man in Miami calls his son in New York and says, “Ihate to ruin your day, but I have to tell you that your motherand I are divorcing. Forty-five years of misery is enough.”

“Pop, what are you talking about?” the son screams.
“We can’t stand the sight of each other any longer,” the old man says. “We’re sick of each other, and I’m sick of talking about this, so you call your sister in Chicago and tell her.”and he hangs up.

Frantic, the son calls his sister, who explodes on the phone,”Like heck they’re getting divorced,” she shouts, “I’ll take care of this.”

She calls her father immediately and yells, “You areNOT getting divorced! Don’t do a single thing until I get there.I’m calling my brother back, and we’ll both be there tomorrow.Until then, don’t do a thing. DO YOU HEAR ME?” And she hangs up.

The old man hangs up his phone and turns to his wife. “Okay,” he says, “They’re both coming for Passover and paying their own airfares.”

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