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Pastor Steven L. Anderson Wants Women Silent In Church — Not Even An ‘Amen’
03/26/14  Huff Post
Pastor Steven L. Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona has drawn criticism for a sermon uploaded to YouTube on Sunday in which he makes the controversial statement: Women should remain silent in church.

Anderson refers to 1 Timothy 2:11 to establish his claim. “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection,” he reads. “But I suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man.”

Anderson then flips to 1 Corinthians chapter 14, saying, “Let your women keep silence in the churches for it is not permitted unto them to speak.”

By these Biblical passages Anderson develops the argument that women may chat before the service and even sing hymns, but “when it’s learning time, it’s silence time.”

Women doing any sort of preaching, Anderson says, is out of the question. But even more, the pastor believes women should not ask questions, indicate their enthusiasm or even say ‘Amen.’

“First of all, it’s not for a woman to be doing the preaching. And second of all, it’s not for women to be speaking. Even if they were to have a question, they’re not to ask that question in the church, number one. And number two, even if they wanted to ask questions of their husband, they should wait until they get home.”
God-forbid a woman should ever disagree with Anderson (as one did at one point, the pastor mentions, causing him to “blow up.”)

The video has garnered over 14,000 views, with comments ranging from the appalled, to the dismissive, to the disconcertedly justifying.

Support generally followed this commenter’s sentiments:

“I can’t believe so many people find bible preaching so offensive. God bless you Pastor Anderson.”
Another commenter did her homework to contradict Anderson’s teaching:

“So what if a woman gets saved and her husband doesn’t? Should she not go to church then? Just confused. There seems to be some biblical contradictions to this statement and like you have instructed in the past I checked for other supporting biblical texts and found that there are women prophets in the new testament (Anna-Luke 2:36-38; and the daughters of Phillip-Acts 21:8-9) How can you prophesy and be silent??? What about Acts 2:17; Joel 2:28 in the Bible that says: And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon ALL FLESH: and your sons and your DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.”
All in all, this commenter wasn’t too concerned:

“There’s no need to get upset over this. Just let this man have his own insular little group where he can rail against women….and Jews….and other Christians….and other Bibles….and, well, anyone who thinks differently than him. Must be fun in the kingdom of Me.”

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March 26, 2014 · 19:23

In answer to the post “Unbelievable” (below)

Telling women to keep quiet in church              17/5/13

Sirs,

The renowned Mr. Donald Morrison from Inverness, who readers may recall from his frequent lip smacking tirades on the evils of homosexuality, is on fine form of late. Not content with attacking proposals for gay marriage, and labelling all gay people as promiscuous deviants, he has now moved on to telling women in the churches to keep quiet in the presence of men and generally refrain from expressing any religious opinions whatsoever (unless, of course, it is to other women or children).

It is good to see that in the face of the many daunting contemporary challenges that we face – child poverty, massive global inequality, chronic alcohol and substance misuse, climate change, sexual abuse, wars, injustice, exploitation of workers in developing countries – Mr. Morrison is demonstrating his strong Christian values by tackling the really important issues: telling women and the gay community to know their place.

Mick Blunt

Sealladh na Mara

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Isle of Lewis

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ANAHEIM HILLS — A small group from Life Baptist church met during the week, but the members have no memory of seeing each other because they were staring at their smartphones the entire time.

“I thought everyone else was keeping up the discussion,” says one woman who successfully ‘Liked’ fifty-five posts and finished two games of Words With Friends during the 90-minute gathering. “I guess no one was.”

Members were so engrossed in texting, posting and Tweeting that it did not occur to them that nobody was talking, let alone leading the meeting. Silence descended on the room as members sat tapping screens, occasionally giggling and typing messages.

“I went into the kitchen at one point to get snacks, and it did seem awfully quiet,” says one man. “Everyone had their heads down. I thought we were praying.”

One man had just bought a new app and was eager to try it out.

“I was tearing it up on Tiny Wings and thought everyone would understand,” he says. “I remember walking into a door, but I’m not sure what building it was — maybe small group or Bed, Bath and Beyond. I don’t have a visual for it anymore.”

Some people even texted and messaged each other while in the same room.

“I was having a great conversation with Karen on Facebook and didn’t notice that she was sitting three feet away from me,” says one woman. “She messaged me, ‘Oh, I’m in small group,’ and I messaged her back, ‘Really? Me too!’”

Only later did members confirm that a meeting had taken place by piecing together tweets, texts and Facebook posts.

“It says on Facebook that I checked in at their house, so I must have been there,” says one woman. “Facebook doesn’t lie.”

Others looked at their timelines and Twitter feeds and saw posts like “Heading to small group” and “Picking up chips and salsa” at around the same time. But none have any memory of what happened after that.

“I think I ate a plate of something, but I was pretty engrossed in Fruit Ninja, so I didn’t really notice,” says one man. “It may have been brownie bites.”

One woman and her husband arrived home afterward, sat in their garage, looked at each other and said, “Did we just go to small group?”

“It was a little eerie,” says the wife. “The only thing I can recall is seeing my iPhone screen. Which, by the way, have you checked out this app?”

Members group-texted each other afterward and pledged to actually look at each other next time they meet.

“We felt kind of bad,” says one man. “I told them if I forget to pay attention next time, just Facetime me.” •

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